Review: British Airways Club World 777 San Francisco To London

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Review: British Airways Club World A380 London To San Francisco


As many of you may know, I reviewed British Airways business class last year, on the A380 from Los Angeles to London, and on the 777 from London to Los Angeles. To say I was underwhelmed would be an understatement, especially on the outbound flight, where the service was horrible. I was curious to see how this experience compared.

British Airways 284
San Francisco (SFO) – London (LHR)
Friday, September 9
Depart: 4:30PM
Arrive: 11:05AM (+1 day)
Duration: 10hr35min
Aircraft: Boeing 777-300ER
Seat: 12B (Business Class/Club World)

We boarded through door L2, where we were greeted by the customer service director (CSD), and pointed right towards our seats. On the British Airways 777-300 there are 14 first class seats in front of door L2, and then the entire business class cabin is behind it. The business class cabin has 56 seats seats, with eight seats per row, in a 2-4-2 configuration.

We had selected seats 12A & 12B, which were the aisle and window combo in the third row of business class.

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British Airways 777 business class seats

I wanted Ford to have the better seat so I selected 12B. As you can see in the picture, these seats are narrow, and there’s virtually no privacy or separation between the aisle seat and the aisle.

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British Airways 777 business class, seat 12B

The window seat is just as narrow, though at least a bit more private if you raise the partition between seats (which can only be done after takeoff).

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British Airways 777 business class, seat 12A

The window seat feels like a bit of a cocoon, and there’s a footrest that folds down from the seat in front of you (or since this seat is rear facing, I suppose from the seat behind you). The catch is that the footrest is really flimsy, and if you apply any pressure to it, it’ll just “crack” and fall to the floor.

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British Airways 777 business class, seat 12A legroom

The seats have a lack of storage, aside from a small compartment underneath the center console. It’s maybe big enough for an iPad, but not big enough for a laptop. That’s also where the power ports are located — there’s both a 110v and USB outlet.

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British Airways business class seat storage

The seat controls are also attached to the center console, and are easy to use.

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British Airways business class seat controls

Next to that are the entertainment controls.

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British Airways business class entertainment controls

Waiting at our seats on boarding were the pillow and blanket. British Airways has some of the worst premium cabin pillows of any airline, as they’re extremely thin. The blankets are a bit scratchy, though overall fine.

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British Airways business class pillow and blanket

There were also headphones waiting at our seat, though I used my Bose QC35s throughout the flight.

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British Airways business class headphones

Within a few minutes of settling in, one of the friendly flight attendants came by to offer us pre-departure beverages, with the choice between water, orange juice, and champagne. I could tell this crew was significantly friendlier than the crew I had on my previous flight to London on British Airways.

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British Airways business class pre-departure champagne

About 10 minutes later the crew came around with amenity kits, or perhaps more accurately, amenity “sacks.”

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British Airways business class amenity kit

They’re pretty basic though have all the essentials, including eyeshades, a toothbrush and toothpaste, lip balm, cream, etc.

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British Airways business class amenity kit contents

Another five minutes later the crew came through with menus. I don’t envy the crews working the Club World cabin, especially during boarding. All premium economy and economy passengers also walk through the cabin, and the aisles are very narrow, so it’s not so easy for the crew to go about their business.

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British Airways business class menu

By 4:25PM all the doors were closed with every seat on the plane taken, at which point the captain came on the PA to inform us of our flight time of 9hr30min, expecting we’d be “nicely on shed-jewel at Heathrow Airport Terminal 5.”

Moments later the CSD, Michael, made his welcome aboard announcement, after which he screened the safety video.

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Air France A380 SFO

We pushed back by 4:30PM and began our taxi out to runway 28L. We first taxied past a Virgin Atlantic 787, and then past some Southwest planes.

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Virgin Atlantic 787 SFO

We first taxied out past runways 1L & 1R.

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Taxiing to the runway SFO

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Taxiing to the runway SFO

Then we taxied along the water down to runway 28L & 28R, where we’d be taking off from.

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Taxiing to the runway SFO

By 4:45PM we were cleared for takeoff on runway 28L, where we had a fairly quick takeoff roll.

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Taking off SFO

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View after takeoff from San Francisco

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View after takeoff from San Francisco

The views on the climb out were gorgeous, as it was a stunning afternoon.

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View after takeoff from San Francisco

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View after takeoff from San Francisco

As we climbed out I turned on the airshow, which allows you to zoom in or zoom out as much as you’d like.

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Airshow enroute to London

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Airshow enroute to London

I then browsed the entertainment selection, which is fine though not in the same league as some of the better systems out there.

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British Airways entertainment system

About 15 minutes after takeoff the seatbelt sign was turned off, at which point the crew closed the curtain between the cabin and the galley.

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British Airways 777 cabin view

About 20 minutes after takeoff the CSD came through the cabin to welcome everyone aboard and to take meal orders. I thought it was a nice touch that he did it himself.

The menu read as follows:

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And the beverage list read as follows:

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The meal service began with warm towels being distributed. British Airways seems to use the same cheap towels as US carriers.

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British Airways business class hot towel

30 minutes after takeoff drinks were served. I ordered the Italian white wine, and it was served with packaged mixed nuts. The flight attendant working our aisle, Angela, was super fun and friendly.

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British Airways business class wine & mixed nuts

What was a bit disappointing is that it took a full hour after the drinks were served (so 90 minutes after takeoff) before the appetizer and starter were served. I assume most passengers are trying to maximize sleep on this flight, so waiting until 90 minutes after takeoff for the appetizer is a bit ridiculous, especially when there’s no “express dining” option on British Airways.

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British Airways business class dinner — appetizer and salad

For the appetizer I selected the salmon, which wasn’t very good at all. It was flavorless and tasted soggy.

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British Airways business class appetizer — smoked salmon

Meanwhile Ford had the goat’s cheese appetizer.

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British Airways business class appetizer — goat’s cheese with orange fennel salad

The salad was a bit better, however.

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British Airways business class salad — fresh seasonal greens with vinaigrette

I was also offered a selection from the bread basket.

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British Airways business class bread

Also on the appetizer tray was a piece of packaged chocolate, perhaps because they realize how slow the service is. 😉

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British Airways business class chocolate

It was another 30 minutes after the appetizer was served before the main was served. I ordered the fish, and it was tasteless and way overcooked.

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British Airways business class main course — seared filled of haddock

Meanwhile Ford had the short rib, which he also said was way overcooked (admittedly it was short rib so is supposed to be well done, but still apparently it was really overcooked).

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British Airways business class main course — braised short rib of beef

Another 20 minutes later the dessert was served. I had the cheesecake, and it was excellent.

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British Airways business class dessert — baked cheesecake with cherry confit

After dinner bottled water was distributed.

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British Airways business class bottled water

We had a beautiful view of the sunset during the dinner service.

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Sunset enroute to London

Altogether the dinner service took over 2hr30min, and we were approaching the Great Lakes by the time it was done.

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Airshow enroute to London

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Airshow enroute to London

The crew was really friendly and professional, though I can’t get over how drawn out the service is. It’s one thing if it were a great meal, but waiting 90 minutes for the meal service to even begin is a bit ridiculous, in my opinion.

It’s not like British Airways has a dine on demand or express dining option, so if you want to eat that’s just how long it’s going to take. If they can’t speed up the meal pace, perhaps they should do something similar to Air Canada’s late night departures out of Toronto to Europe, where everything is served on a single tray.

After dinner I quickly headed to the restroom. There are four restrooms for business class, and they’re all located behind the cabin. That makes it a bit tricky to use the restrooms during the service, since there’s a single big business class cabin, so if the cart is in the aisle there’s no good way to walk around it.

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British Airways 777 business class cabin

After dinner the lights were dimmed and I reclined my seat. I was super tired at this point, so despite the subpar pillow and narrow seat, I slept just fine for about five hours, and woke up about two hours before landing in London. That’s about as good of a night of sleep as I can hope for on a transatlantic flight.

I browsed the entertainment selection, and decided to watch a couple of episodes of “The Goldbergs,” which is a pretty funny show.

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British Airways entertainment selection

Within about 30 minutes of waking up the cabin lights were turned up in anticipation of the breakfast service.

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Airshow enroute to London

The breakfast menu read as follows:

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I ordered the muesli and a croissant to start, and was also offered coffee and a smoothie (both of which were pretty good).

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British Airways business class breakfast — croissant and muesli

For the main course I selected the frittata, which was excellent.

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British Airways business class breakfast — asparagus and mushroom frittata

About 45 minutes before landing the first officer made the pre-landing announcement, informing us that we’d be landing in London at around 10:25AM. Shortly thereafter we began our descent, and about 15 minutes later the seatbelt sign was turned on.

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View approaching London

The descent was smooth, and fortunately we didn’t even have to enter a holding pattern, which seems rare nowadays.

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View approaching London

We touched down at 10:25AM, and from there had a roughly 15 minute taxi to our gate at Terminal 5.

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Touchdown London Heathrow

We taxied past Terminal 3, which is used by American, Virgin Atlantic, some British Airways flights, etc.

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View of Heathrow Terminal 3

Then we finally arrived at Terminal 5, which is used primarily by British Airways.

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Heathrow Terminal 5 planes

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British Airways 777 Heathrow Airport

We pulled into our gate at 10:40AM, nicely ahead of schedule.

British Airways Club World bottom line

On the plus side, the crew on this flight was extremely friendly and professional. I also thought I got a great deal at ~$1,150 roundtrip in business class.

That being said, in comparison to most other transatlantic business class products, British Airways falls short in most other ways.

The main meal wasn’t very good, and was far too drawn out. It shouldn’t take nearly three hours to be served a simple meal on an overnight flight. It’s one thing if the food were actually good, but waiting an hour between a disappointing starter and a disappointing main is… disappointing.

My thoughts on the British Airways Club Coffin World seat are well documented, so I don’t have to say much there.

So to sum it up, this was probably my all around most pleasant Club World experience, but that’s not saying all that much.

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About lucky

Ben Schlappig (aka Lucky) is a travel consultant, blogger, and avid points collector. He travels about 400,000 miles a year, primarily using miles and points to fund his first class experiences. He chronicles his adventures, along with industry news, here at One Mile At A Time.

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Comments

  1. Nice and well balanced review, thanks! For me, the BA seat actually works very well for sleeping, despite all the other disadvantages. I would take a BA window seat for a night flight any time.

  2. I wish they wouldn’t turn on the cabin lights to full brightness for breakfast. I get that they need to see what they’re doing, but given the long drawn out dinner times, I’d rather just keep sleeping.

  3. “The seats have a complete lack of storage, aside from a small compartment underneath the center console”

    Then…it isn’t a complete lack of storage, is it…

    Too bad most of the food was underwhelming. At least the dessert and breakfast were good.

    One thing you didn’t touch on was the IFE. Good options, or bring your Ipad?

  4. Good review and mirrors my recent experiences.I have moved on from apologising for BA after one to many awful experiences. You are right the food is terrible and service is too slow.

    I have to say though I find the seat good for sleeping, far better than the virgin seat, I’m 6ft 5 and flew virgin last night. Clearly I had stretched my feet Into the aisle whilst asleep and was woken by one of the crew falling over them! Not an issue on BA, but yes the seat is well behind the AA fleet now.

  5. I think we all get you hate BA. Why don’t you just stop flying with them.

    Choose another carrier, until people do that en mass, there will be no need for BA to make any improvements.

  6. @ Jon — I don’t think you read my review. I feel like I got an excellent value flying them, and I’d fly them again under similar circumstances. I’d like to think this was a balanced review, and I wanted to make a point of sharing that the service was significantly better on this flight.

  7. @ RB — Well the only airline with first class to Europe out of Seattle is BA, so I’d say their first class is the best. Still don’t love it, but in absolute terms…

  8. @ Chris_IOW — You’re definitely right. If you’re that tall, then the Virgin seat isn’t going to be very comfortable. Agree I don’t love herringbone seats either, but in my case I’d choose it over a non-window seat on BA for sure.

  9. @ Julia — Hah, fair enough. I don’t watch much entertainment on planes. BA’s selection was acceptable, which is to say it wasn’t as bad as the selection on some Asian airlines (Air China, Asiana, Korean, etc.). However, it paled in comparison to the better systems out there, like Emirates, Singapore, Cathay, etc. So I’d bring an iPad, personally.

  10. @ Melissa — For one, I’ve reviewed the Cathay lounge before, so I was curious to review the BA lounge, since I haven’t been there in over five years. I also wasn’t sure if the Cathay lounge was open. I’d definitely make a point of checking it out next time.

  11. @ Brad — I actually LOVE that the Brits say “shed-jewel.” It’s worth pointing out because we never hear it in the US, but I definitely think it’s the right way to say it. That being said, if I used it in the US people would look at me like I have two heads, so I typically say it the wrong way.

  12. Having flown BA transatlantic a couple dozen times since AA joined oneworld I generally agree with your reviews of both Business and First. There’s better experiences out there but I still end up on BA b/c 1) low prices & good (albeit expensive) award availability, 2) lots of connections onward from LHR, 3) good preflight dining, and 4) engaging flight crew. Couple weeks ago the purser reasoned that #4 is why they still get full flights like yours despite better seat and food on other carriers. I always preflight dine heading East and skip the onboard meal, but enjoy a formal drawn-out meal and a 2 hour movie heading West along with some banter with the crew. Very British and very pleasant.

  13. I flew LHR-JFK this week. Kind of incredibly, for a Tuesday night flight, J was 100% full, economy had maybe forty people. This was one of those occasions where I was happy not to be in business – my four-across row made for a much more spacious bed than the “coffins” up front. And I got plenty of sleep, since I wasn’t waiting up for multiple mediocre courses!

  14. Sorry but this review is just silly on so many counts.

    First you are flying from the Bay Area to London. What’s the choice! BA, VS, UA or Norwegian. How does this relate to them as there are no other sensible options?

    Second, you regularly complain about BA but keep flying them. Why? Oh, as an afterthought you mention the price. So, if it’s value you want, why not relate the product to the price? UA and VS are more expensive but are they worth the extra? I’ve done UA several times and I would judge that most of the shortcomings you mention are worse on UA.

    Fourth, the flight departed at 4:30pm. Who wants a full meal in a rush then? The criticism would be better aimed at how early they started the breakfast. For the later flight this would be fair criticism but not for a flight leaving so early.

    And I could go on. The point is that you provide no context, just soundbites.

  15. I agree with NB’s comments. You obviously don’t like BA, then why fly them?

    You and a couple of spoiled pansies – Ford and Lucky – you seriously need to get a life. Two little drama queens!

  16. I don’t find this service bad at all. I think you are just spoilt now. Imagine your readers being as critical and nitpicking about your blog. How would you react?

  17. Thanks for the review. I have only done one trip in BA business. Although it did include 4 legs with a total time of around 48 hours including transfers. I absolutely agree about the hard product, except I’d be more scathing.

    Agree with you about the soft product: food awful and service totally dependant on the quality of crew. Like you, in an ideal world I would not travel with them again. However, although not as good as your deal, sometimes the price between Sydney and London is extremely competitive. Mind you my partner would still need some convincing.

  18. Lucky,

    For this promotion, weren’t the British Airways flights operated by American Airlines also available for the promotion? I ask because it’s my understanding the service is much better and I’m looking at JFK to London once another promotion pops up.

    Corey

  19. I think Club World is great if you consider them as being between premium economy and business class.. They’re not as good as a real business class on airlines like JAL, Cathay or Singapore Airlines but they’re much better than a premium economy seat on those airlines and with sales they’re sometimes priced almost like a premium economy seat.

  20. I’ve got to say – I fly BA really regularly for work between IAD and LHR – well, 5 to 6 times a year, so maybe just slightly regularly. That being said, I can’t get over how silly this review seems. For me, as a business traveler, BA is fantastic value and great service whether I’m in World Traveler Plus or Club World. I’ve flown BA dozens of times from NYC, IAD, BOS and I’ve never once had a flight attendant be as rude as you’ve claimed they have been to you. I’d say that I’ve been lucky, but I wonder if perhaps your years of flying First and the high profile you have as one of the premier travel bloggers has clouded your judgment on what’s rude and what’s actually just someone not falling all over themselves to see to your every need.

    I think what bothers me most is that this review is that it’s clearly from the perspective of a leisure traveler. Moreover, your complaint that the seat is uncomfortable and tight is hilarious. I’m 6′ and probably have 50-60 lbs on you and I find this seat to be perfect for 4 or 5 hours sleep on a trans Atlantic. I mean, I can get a decent night’s sleep in World Traveler Plus if that’s what the budget is dictating. Maybe give economy or economy plus a try on your next trans Atlantic and see how unbearable the Club World seat is after that! Perhaps it isn’t reasonable to compare business products between airlines as much as it is to compare the business offering on your flight to the the economy or premium economy options! I mean, shoot, I’d rather fly Cathay premium economy than AA first any day between DC and Dallas, but that’s a dumb comparison.

    Finally – I’ve read a good number of your reviews and will continue to do so because, although I find virtually all of your complaints on may products to be middling and silly – I really do find your pictures to be outstanding, your reports to be exhaustive and am genuinely pleased with the diversity of premium products you’ve been reviewing (particularly this year). I do have to say, though, one thing that drives me bananas is that you guys complain EVERY single time you order beef on a plane that it is overdone and borderline inedible…stop ordering it!!! Okay, maybe I’m being hyperbolic…maybe you’ve had a good steak on Etihad…

  21. @NB
    I happened to fly out the week after Ben on the same flight and return.

    See if this will make you happy:
    British Airways currently has the best business class service available anywhere at the sub-$1200 price point.
    As a bonus, their lounge occasionally has cereal!

    At the above-$1200 price point, it a shit product.

    Steven

  22. @Lucky
    We all know, you don’t like BA and I also know that you try to write fair reports, but sometimes you fail in some points. You claim the seats in CW to be extremely narrow at window and ailes rows. BA CW has one of the widest seats (at least in the shoulder area) of the industry. With 25.25″ it is much wider than LH, LX or even the CX/QR seats you love so much. I also never had any issues with the footrest in CW. Yes, it folds down if you try to use it as a seat, but it us not mentioned for this. The blanket is very thin, that’s right. But I do have an extremely thin blanket, which is quite warm and due to the warm cabin on BA, I never thought the CW one to be too flimsy.
    I agree that the food in CW could be better (the same is true for First Class on BA). But it’s a British airline, so what do you expect 🙂

  23. Slightly less BA bashing than normal which is good. I’m glad you point out the value for money aspect of the flight because at the end of the day this is really the most important factor overall in a review in my opinion. I’m just really bored by your BA reviews because you clearly have a mindset regarding them – just as you clearly have a mindset regarding Emirates showers – and there are so many of them (reviews of BA not Emirates showers per se). I’m not apologising for BA’s shortcomings…and I’m not saying your review is inaccurate. I presume that the reality is that you continue to use BA transatlantic due to cost – Americans get a VERY good deal on BA flying West when including AARP etc. This cost element should therefore be absolutely central to your review for it to be balanced. I don’t like sticking my hand in a food blender and guess what I don’t do it as a result. So why continue to review BA? There’s no real point in you doing so until they introduce a new product. You like Virgin, why not fly them more? You have the funds.

  24. @Chilangoflyer

    I don’t sit on my shoulders. And while my shoulders were thrilled with the industry-leading room, my elbows were pressed against the bulkhead and the divider. There is nowhere to set a drink/iPad except on the serving table, leaving a bit of a conundrum at meal-time. Any seat position with the exception of almost fully reclined leaves the footrest a moot point; my wife couldn’t reach it.

    I can’t for the life of me understand the defense of BA’s product. In our experience, BA is the worst biz-class offered.

  25. @ Leo — You’re almost more than welcome to just not read the reviews, right? You know they don’t have a new product, so why did you bother reading? The reason I reviewed them again is because there’s value in more data points. This is only my third ever review of BA’s longhaul business class, so there’s value to reviewing a product more than once. For example, if I had just reviewed them the very first time from LAX to LHR, I’d say they have the worst service in the world. Now I believe it’s inconsistent, since I’ve also had some good experiences.

    So you’re more than welcome not to read reviews, though I’ll keep writing about my experiences. After all, that’s what I do.

  26. I agree with John up above – you look at things from a leisure traveler. I fly DFW/NYC-LHR once a month and I ALWAYS try to fly BA Club World over AA First or even new business. Why? Service is better, food is better, drinks are better, arriving at T5 vs T3 is better! And the IFE is not half as bad as you say it is. 🙂 While AA new product is better on the 77W and marginally better on the 787, and while I agree that there is limited storage space on BA, overall I still prefer flying them over AA almost anytime. The best regular service to London from the US is probably offered by Virgin in business class, but the lack of connections from LHR make flying them impractical (as sometimes I have to fly to Italy and MAD for work).

  27. i traveled a similar route exactly 4 weeks ago , but took the 747 upstairs where it was much more roomier and then the connecting flight was the 777 , it was an amazing business class deal that i couldn’t turn down …but i thought there was needed improvement on all ends . the most disappointing was when i found glass from the plate in my dish after consumed half of it and the crew was apologetic but after a month of emailing customer service , they have no answers

  28. I think this is a very relevant review from
    a business traveller standpoint. The amount of sleep available is certainly a key factor when I’m looking at flights and knowing BA take so long over the meals on this flight is good to know.

    Especially relevant when added to the fact he seats are exposed and therefore even if you passed up on the meal you would struggle to sleep unless on a window seat.

    We all know what you get with the seat but comments like this around the service are really useful especially when faced with a good deal on price, now an informed decision can be made about whether that good deal is a false economy or not.

    One of the most useful reviews you’ve done recently for me personally Lucky, thank you.

  29. The delay in meal time is by far the worst. If you are paying for Business class, you either want to be sleeping or working. Nobody is there to have a drawn out crappy meal.

  30. @ Roberto — I’m a bit confused. You’re suggesting I’m looking at this as a leisure traveler, and suggesting that it’s business travelers who care about service, food, and drinks? Seems a bit backwards to me. If we’re going to segregate leisure vs. business travelers like that, I suspect that business travelers care about sleep and leisure travelers care about the food, drinks, service, and entertainment, no?

  31. Ben … a simple google search would show you that pronouncing “schedule” as “shed-jewel” isn’t correct, despite what some British prescriptivists may say. The *wrong* pronunciation of schedule (i.e. shed-jewel) didn’t originate until the 19th century, when some Brits took on an accent. Anyway, have fun continuing to say words like “queue” and “keen” or whatever else you may say that you think makes you sound sophisticated…

  32. @EW

    And if you really start to think about it, there aren’t really ANY wrong pronunciations, provided people understand what you’re trying to say

  33. For $1100, or even for the original $1600 price, this is an excellent deal for Europe in Business in the summer time. Usually coach in the summer time is around $1200-$1300 (and I’ve paid far more for coach to Europe). So I think I’d be happy with this product at the price point, even if I’d be a little bit annoyed with the drawn out food service. Good to know the service was solid. It is, like most carriers, inconsistent, which is what I’ve come to expect, even from the best (EY is a PRIME example of this).

  34. “About 20 minutes after takeoff the CSD came through the cabin to welcome everyone aboard and to take meal orders. I thought it was a nice touch that he did it himself.”

    Sadly, this isn’t so much a result of a “nice touch” as BA’s reduction in crew levels (implemented a couple of years ago), which means that the CSD now works as part of the usual CW crew team for the main meal service. So, as friendly as he may have been, he was merely performing part of his usual duties by taking meal orders.

    I believe the only exception to this is the A380, which BA still crews sufficiently to allow the CSD to focus their time on, you know, directing services across all cabins…!

  35. Lucky youre posting a tremendous amount in this thread…?

    Are we finally seeing some fight back?

    If so, I like it!

    A bit overdue and behind shedjewel hehe.

    I fancy you totes btw.

  36. You did unfortunately get the worst BA plane for at seat storage, with the tray being smaller than it is on their other aircraft. On their non-777, it’s easy enough to fit a 15″ or even 17″ laptop into the drawer.

    The upper deck 747 and A380 window seats have nice storage compartments (for example, 64A/64K have 3 large compartments, providing the most at-seat storage space of any seat on any airline except SQ and EY first.

    At some point you should try the 747 in 64A or K, or the A380 in 53A or K. Also, given the curve of the seat area, most right-handed people find upper deck A more comfortable, whereas lefties prefer the K side. This is in contrast with the normal seat contour, but is because of the extra space for the storage compartments.

  37. After your previous experiences flying Club World, with the exact same complaints about lack of privacy for seats at the aisle, why wouldn’t you just select two window seats for yourself and Ford? Is being seated side by side that important on a flight on which you admit you’re going to be sleeping through anyway, or were there no two window seats available?

  38. @Lucky are you sure Lufthansa doesn’t have first class out of SEA? They fly a 747-400. I was on that flight a few weeks ago on a trip to Italy and I’m pretty sure they have first class.

  39. @ EW Don’t you know that the English pronunciation (received pronunciation that is) is always the right way? 😉

    That said, American-isms are creeping in on this side of the Atlantic, it seems acceptable to say “can I get” rather than “can I have” these days – well, language changes, fair enough, however the please is often missing now. We always ran on ‘P and Qs’ so expect less of those from the UK in future (not from me I’m always polive unless circumstances say otherwise! ).

    People quoting Brexit – please stop eh? If I wanted to read a Brexit forum I’d not be here. (Remain voter before I get inaccurate stick for voting leave).

  40. I fly business with BA regularly, including on 777s. I’ve had my share of complaints with BA, and I find that the quality of the offer is unfortunately going down, but I don’t think your review is entirely fair. Business clasd cabin is one of the most convenient for work, especially if you sit in a window seat. The foot rest is what it is – a foot rest, not a seat, so if you put excessive pressure on it – but why would you?! – it will give in. Storage is much better than many other airlines and I always manage to fit my laptop, ipad, phones, wallet and passport pouch. There is an express tray in business class for flights that leave at night. On some red eye flights, there is even the Sleeper service which I find awesome – you get your full meal in the lounge at the airport before boarding. After take-off the cabin lights are dimmed so you can sleep throughout the flight in a quiet environment. I will happily take BA business class over most US carriers anytime.

  41. If you know you only get 2 hours or so of sleep then why does it matter that the meal was “drawn out”?

    Personally I prefer a longer meal service on a flight that long, and BA usually come around twice with pre-dinner drinks which means more time.

    And of course you can snack on sandwiches and crudités at the BA lounge.

    The Cathay lounge is the official overflow lounge for the later A380 flight, which you can’t board directly from the BA lounge anyway

  42. I am not sure about how much experience in premium cabins of other airlines some people in here have. Yes, BA might be the best for you, have you ever tried something else though? If so, how many times, how often, how many different airlines and cabins?
    Lucky is not reviewing in absolute terms, he is implicitly comparing with all the other cabins, airlines he has ever flown, he is comparing the crews he has met and the meals he has had. Afterall, this is why we read him, he has a ton of experience and we want to see what his thoughts on the matter are.
    Put it differently, if I put my 10 year old nephew who has never been in an airplane in his entire life, into BA First, he will probably think this is the best thing in the world! But who would take his opinion seriously due to his lack of extensive experience?

    So please, if you want to defend BA, Air India, some obscure Chinese/Taiwanese or other Asian airline, so be it, attacks ad hominem are not necessary.

  43. You have a valid point about the service, they could speed it up a fair bit. You do end up sitting for a long time waiting for food…

    I think VS does better in that respect.

  44. @Lucky. I’m on a 772 LHR to JFK in a couple of weeks. I had booked a window seat but just switched to an aisle because, while not claustrophobic, I am definitely not keen on tight spaces. From the pictures, the window seats look very tight and very confining. Does it look worse than it is or should I stay with the aisle. I took 10J so I wouldn’t have anyone leaping over me during the flight. I have never had this much trouble picking a seat before. No good option.

  45. @Lucky:
    Yes, it is

    @Steven
    I mentioned the shoulder just because is gets smaller near the feet. The point is that the seat is on the wider seat of all Biz seats. If you want more space to the sides you have to accept less privacy than the window seats offer (like the ailes seats or USAir). If you feel cramped, that might be your feeling. I never had any problems in CW, and I am not on the small side either.

  46. I use B.A. regularly between LHR and GRU and have absolutely no complaints about the service /food or comfort. I have never found the food to be less than more than acceptable and sometimes very very good. Service, as on all airlines, depends on who is working at that particular time, but it’s never been less than good and again sometimes very good. I don’t know what all the fuss is over the seat arrangement, I always choose an isle seat to avoid stepping over another passenger (which actually is no big deal) and the screen provides complete privacy. The seat size might prove difficult for the ever increasing number of obese passengers but that’s their problem. Yes, there are better airlines but I don’t care, B.A. do the job at a sensible price and they are far better than any U.S. airline I’ve used (Delta/U.A.)that’s for sure.

  47. It really disappoints me that British Airways isn’t as good as it should be. British hospitality is renowned for being the best in the world, and British Airways should be as good as- if not better than- competitors on the Continent and in the Middle East.
    The reputation of countries lies upon the standard of their airlines. We’ve got the airport- Terminal 5 is undoubtedly the best in the world- so why don’t we have the best airline?

  48. Ok that fritiata is NOT a Fritata! It has a crust! Fritatas are sort of like omelets, not quiches!

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