Great Deal: 20% Bonus When You Convert Starpoints Into American Miles

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One of the things which makes the Starwood Preferred Guest® Credit Card from American Express and the Starwood Preferred Guest® Business Credit Card from American Express valuable is that Starpoints are so flexible. They can efficiently be redeemed for hotel stays, SPG Moments, or can be converted into airline miles.

The ratio of converting Starpoints into airline miles is usually already lucrative, though it has been sweetened even further.

20% bonus when converting Starpoints into AAdvantage miles

Presently there’s a promotion offering a 20% bonus when you convert Starwood Preferred Guest points into American AAdvantage miles between July 1 and August 7, 2015.

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Starpoints convert into airline miles at a 1:1 ratio, and for every 20,000 points you transfer you receive a 5,000 point bonus. That means if transferring in the right increments, you’re ordinarily earning 1.25 AAdvantage miles per Starpoint.

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However, through this promotion you’d get an additional 5,000 bonus miles for every 20,000 Starpoints transferred (since you get the 20% bonus based on the 25,000 miles that would be transferred). That means 20,000 Starpoints convert into 30,000 AAdvantage miles, which is a ratio of 1.5 AAdvantage miles per Starpoint.

The bonus points should post to your AAdvantage account within seven business days of the initial conversion activity posting. There’s no limit to the number of bonus points you can earn through the promotion. There’s also no registration required.

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Redeem American AAdvantage miles for Cathay Pacific first class

Tips for maximizing this promotion

There are a few tricks you’ll want to keep in mind if you do choose to convert Starpoints into AAdvantage miles:

  • You can only make one mileage transfer per Starwood account every 24 hours, up to 79,999 SPG points at a time. Given that the 5,000 point bonus is only for transfers in increments of 20,000 points, in practice you’ll just want to transfer 60,000 Starpoints per day, should you take advantage of this promotion.
  • The name on the AAdvantage account has to match the name on the Starwood account. That being said, do keep in mind that SPG allows you to transfer points between members of the same household. So if you want to transfer your Starpoints to the AAdvantage account of someone else living at your address, you’ll want to transfer the points to their Starwood account first.
  • American allows five day holds on award tickets, so if you have a specific use of miles in mind, you can always place the ticket on hold and then transfer Starpoints, as they typically post to AAdvantage accounts within a few days.

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Redeem American AAdvantage miles for Etihad A380 First Class Apartments

Is this a good deal?

As I’ve explained before, I conservatively value Starpoints at 2.2 cents each, which is why I consider the SPG Personal AmEx and the SPG Business AmEx to be among the most valuable cards for everyday, non-bonused spend.

Assuming a valuation of 2.2 cents per Starpoint, and assuming you transfer in the right increments (meaning at a 1:1.5 ratio, by transferring in increments of 20,000 Starpoints), that’s like picking up AAdvantage miles for ~1.47 cents each. That’s a fantastic deal.

However, it’s important to note:

  • Part of what makes Starpoints so valuable is that they’re pretty devaluation-proof. You have so much flexibility with Starpoints, given that they can be converted into airlines miles in any of about two dozen airline programs, can be redeemed for hotels, etc. If you’re holding onto points without an immediate use in mind, there’s huge value to having them in a flexible points currency.
  • While American AAdvantage miles are extremely valuable now, I wouldn’t count on the current redemption rates sticking around forever, given that American’s award chart is now considerably more lucrative than those of Delta and United.

So I’d say converting Starpoints into miles can be a great deal if you have a near term use of AAdvantage miles in mind. For what it’s worth, American and Starwood offered an identical promotion last year at the same time. I wouldn’t be surprised to see it again at the same time next year, though wouldn’t expect to see it more often than that.

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Redeem American AAdvantage miles for Qatar Airways A350 business class

Bottom line

One of the best uses of Starpoints is for airline mileage transfers. One of Starwood’s best airline mileage transfer partners is American. So getting an extra 20% on mileage transfers is pretty huge, if you ask me. If you have a specific or short term use in mind I’d absolutely take advantage of this promotion.

If you don’t think you’ll have a use for the miles in the next six or so months, I’d probably not take advantage of this promotion, and instead keep your Starpoints as flexible as possible.

Do you plan on converting Starpoints into AAdvantage miles during this promotion?

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Comments

  1. Of course this has to happen after I scraped off every SPG points I had and transfer over to book JAL 1st suite deal last month for my family of 4…
    I think I had to transfer over 200k SPG points from 4 different accounts… oh well.. I am still happy that I acted fast to snatch up that deal before they were all gone.

    Like many have mentioned, the true value of AA isn’t on redeeming AA metals.. it’s the partners… Etihad, Qatar, Cathay, JAL… the ones you have to be creative on search and call into book… 🙂
    I think my redemption rate on JAL is over like a $1 a mile!!! or like 95 cents a mile on Apartment on Etihad A380 SYD-AUH I also managed to book.

  2. This is a nice deal, now I just need to plan a trip, thanks!

    Also, you forgot to blank out your Starpoints balance.

  3. My main problem with SPG points is that they are so valuable to me I never want to spend them on anything and mostly I haven’t needed to yet. Combine that with how hard they are to accumulate and they have been regulated to my emergency stash of points that are otherwise never used.

  4. @Lucky — To be clear. Startpoints are worth 2.2 cents each as STARPOINTS. They are worth 2.2cents/6 = ~0.4 as HHonors points. Or to put it the other way around, if one values each HHonors point at 0.4 cent, then each HH points would be worth 0.4*6 = 2.4 cents as STARPOINTS. The reason for this is that if you take your SPG AMEX and I take my HH AMEX Surpass to the same restaurant and we purchase exactly the same items on the menu that costs $1, you’d walk away with 1 starpoint and I would walk away with 6 HHonors points 😉

    Raw “valuations” are somewhat meaningful WITHIN each loyalty program but not ACROSS programs, unless adjusted for the relative ability to earn the points since one earns different number of points for exactly the same purchases [which you do not with real currencies, unless it is, e.g., USD vs Euros, in which you need to do a currency conversion, which is what the factor of 6 is to go between starpoints and HH points].

    The reason starpoints are worth, on average, 2.2 cents, which is higher than most, is NOT because they are worth more [as you imply], but it is purely arbitrary because SPG decided to set their point scale to be just 1/6 that of HHonors or 1/2 that of Hyatt GP. So, if you divide the room rate in $ by the room rate in points to estimate the “value” of a point, you will usually get a higher value for SPG because the denominator will be smaller by 6x or 2x compared to HH or GP.

    In fact, it is not by accident that SPG AMEX awards 1point/$ and HHonors AMEX Surpass awards 6 points/$. It’s done purposely by AMEX to achieve equivalence between the points they purchase for REAL MONEY from the SPG and HH programs. The 6:1 ratio makes the points equivalent and ensures that AMEX does not pay 6 times more to get starpoints than they do to get HH points as that would be ridiculous…

    If AMEX purchases 1,000,000 from Starwood, they would get 6,000,000 HH points from Hilton for the spend! This does not make each starpoint more valuable. It’s just different scales. So, to compare the two scales or currencies, the factor of 6 must be used…

    G’day!

  5. @DCS….nice that you use restaurants in your proposal…a bonus category.

    Lucky said SPG is great for non bonus spend. Car repairs, heating, insurance etc.

    You get 2.2 cents for SPG and would get 1.2 cents for your surpass for a majority of your purchases. That is his point.

  6. @Mac — I have heard the objection before and it holds no water. The concept of “bonuses” and “unbonuses” categories is meaningless for the purpose of figuring out the relative basic point earnings by the programs.

    HH AMEX Surpass awards
    12 points/$ for on-property spend
    6 points/$ for gas, department store, gas spend
    3 points/$ for all else.

    SPG AMEX awards
    2 points/$ for on-property spend
    1 point/$ for all else

    For on property spend, the HH:SPG earn ratio is clearly 6:1.

    Because SPG awards 1 point/$ for every category but on-property spend, while the HH AMEX Surpass has a couple of categories beside the on-property spend, the mean of these categories, which is 5.5points/$, is what one compares vs. SPG’s “all else category”. Moreover, even if one considers only points earned through revenue stays, including elite bonuses, the ratio of HH:SPG point earning remains close of 6:1 — “unbonused” or otherwise.

    From revenue stays, a HH Diamond earns 32 points/$, including 12/$ HH AMEX Surpass
    From revenue stays, a SPG Pure Platinum earn 5 points/4 including 2/$ fronm the SPG AMEX

    32/5 = 6.4

    The ratio remains around 6.

    That difference in relative point earning simply must be taken into account in comparing or making claims about the “value” of loyalty points or relative merits of various programs.

  7. @Bgriff — Is that an intelligent question I am supposed to answer?

    The math is grade-school simple. If you have something substantive to say about it, do get back to me…

    G’day.

  8. @DCS – So what airline are you transfering your super valuable HHonors points to again?

  9. AA miles have already been pretty badly devalued for travel on AA itself. Many routes I’ve priced, Delta or United was slightly cheaper 🙁

  10. @Lucky and fellow readers here,

    I want to take this lucrative bonus transfer promo, but I just started this game and don’t know much about the AA’s partner airlines route for international travel that has best redemption for use of this out from SFO origin.

    I only know best to redeem it on JAL Suite SFO – HND route.
    But how about Etihad ? Do they have SFO – AUH award space availability for the First Apartment saver award redemption?
    And for Quatar business class as Lucky mentioned on the picture of this post, can I redeem their business award seat for SFO – SYD or SFO – MEL? Do they go to Australia from SFO ?

  11. @Stephan — The smart thing to do when playing the mile/point game is to pick a hotel loyalty program and a FF program and then to focus on accumulating as many points/miles as possible within those programs, consistent with achieving top elite status in both since benefits are greatest at the top. You then use the points/miles within the program in which and for which they were earned. That starpoints can be transferred to many different airlines, even across alliances sounds good in theory, but it’s not very valuable for one who is smart about how they play the mile/point game.

    My FF program is UA, so I have both the UA explorer and United Club cards as my default cards for earning miles. I fly a lot, mostly long haul, exclusively with UA or *A carriers. I start by using the UA Explorer (mostly for plane tickets @2miles/$) and spend exact $25K on it to earn 10K bonus miles, and then I switch to the Club card. The bulk of my miles comes from flying and I do not need to transfer the miles that I earn with either card. I just use them on all 27 (including UA) Star Alliance carriers. And, BTW, in terms of cents/point, either Chase UA visa card is more valuable than the SPG AMEX. Really 😉

    On the hotel side, I earn most of my points through stays at Hilton hotels, and they are for redeeming for the ‘aspirational’ stays like the one I am planning for 5 nights at the category 10 Conrad Koh Samui around the New Year. Not for transferring to airline miles! To get to SE Asia and to the other 4-5 countries I plan to visit during the same 3-week annual year-end Asian escapade, I will redeem my UA miles to fly exclusively in premium cabins on TG, SQ, CA, or OZ.

    You’d have to earn a heck of a lot starpoints @1points/$ and/or go to the poor house to be able to earn the miles and points that I will need for this redemption. In short, I do not need to transfer HH points to airline miles because (a) I am playing the mile/point game correctly, and (b) UA miles are good on 26+1 *A carriers so I do not need to transfer any points. I use them as they are across the Alliance 😉

    …that is not to say Hilton has no airline partners to which I can transfer my easily earned HHonors. Hillton may even be more transfer partners than SPGs:

    AEROMEXICO

    Exchange 25,000 HHonors Points for 6,500 Premier Kilometers. Exchange in increments of 25,000.
    AMERICAN AIRLINES

    Exchange 10,000 HHonors Points for 1,500 AAdvantage miles.
    DELTA AIR LINES

    Exchange 10,000 HHonors Points for 1,000 Delta miles.
    JETBLUE

    Exchange 10,000 HHonors Points for 1,000 TrueBlue Points.
    MULTIPLUS

    Exchange 10,000 HHonors Points for 1,500 Multiplus points.
    VIRGIN AMERICA

    Exchange 10,000 HHonors Points for 1,000 Elevate Points.

    AEROPLAN (AIR CANADA)

    Exchange 10,000 HHonors Points for 1,000 Aeroplan miles.
    AMTRAK

    Exchange 10,000 HHonors Points for 1,500 Amtrak Guest Rewards Points. Use reward code RX12V.
    FRONTIER AIRLINES

    Exchange 10,000 HHonors Points for 1,500 EarlyReturns miles.
    LAN

    Exchange 25,000 HHonors Points for 6,500 LANPASS kilometers. Use reward code RXLA19. Exchange in increments of 25,000.
    UNITED

    Exchange 10,000 HHonors Points for 1,000 MileagePlus miles.

    ALASKA AIRLINES

    Exchange 10,000 HHonors Points for 1,000 Mileage Plan miles.
    LifeMiles – AVIANCA

    Exchange 10,000 HHonors Points for 1,000 LifeMiles.
    HAWAIIAN AIRLINES

    Exchange 10,000 HHonors Points for 1,500 HawaiianMiles.
    US AIRWAYS

    Exchange 10,000 HHonors Points for 850 Dividend Miles.

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    POINTS FOR MILES PARTNERS: EUROPE, THE MIDDLE EAST & AFRICA
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    AEROFLOT RUSSIAN AIRLINES

    Exchange 10,000 HHonors Points for 1,500 Aeroflot Bonus miles.
    AIR FRANCE-KLM

    Exchange 10,000 HHonors Points for 1,000 Flying Blue Award Miles. Minimum: 20,000 points.
    ETIHAD AIRWAYS

    Exchange 10,000 HHonors Points for 1,000 Etihad Guest miles.
    MILES & MORE (AUSTRIAN AIRLINES, LUFTHANSA, SWISS)

    Exchange 10,000 HHonors Points for 1,000 Miles & More miles.
    SAUDI ARABIAN AIRLINES

    Exchange 10,000 HHonors Points for 1,000 Alfursan Reward Miles.

    AIR BALTIC

    Exchange 10,000 HHonors Points for 1,000 Baltic miles.
    BRITISH AIRWAYS

    Exchange 10,000 HHonors Points for 1,000 Avios.
    GULF AIR

    Exchange 10,000 HHonors Points for 1,500 Falconflyer miles.
    OLYMPIC AIR

    Exchange 10,000 HHonors Points for 1,000 Travelair Club miles.
    SOUTH AFRICAN AIRWAYS

    Exchange 10,000 HHonors Points for 1,500 Voyager Bonus Miles.

    AIRBERLIN

    Exchange 10,000 HHonors Points for 1,000 topbonus miles.
    CZECH AIRLINES

    Exchange 10,000 HHonors Points for 1,000 OK Plus miles.
    ICELANDAIR

    Exchange 10,000 HHonors Points for 1,000 Saga Club Award Points.
    QATAR AIRWAYS

    Exchange 10,000 HHonors Points for 1,000 Privilege Club Qmiles.
    VIRGIN ATLANTIC AIRWAYS

    Exchange 10,000 HHonors Points for 1,500 Flying Club miles.

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    POINTS FOR MILES PARTNERS: ASIA PACIFIC
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    AIR CHINA

    Exchange 10,000 HHonors Points for 1,000 PhoenixMiles.
    ASIA MILES (CATHAY PACIFIC)

    Exchange 10,000 HHonors Points for 1,000 Asia Miles
    JET AIRWAYS

    Exchange 10,000 HHonors Points for 1,000 JetPrivilege JPMiles.
    OK CASHBAG

    Exchange 10,000 HHonors points for 20,000 OK Cashbag points.
    SRILANKAN AIRLINES

    Exchange 10,000 HHonors points for 1,000 FlySmiLes miles.

    AIR NEW ZEALAND

    Exchange 10,000 HHonors Points for 20 Airpoints Dollars™.
    CHINA SOUTHERN

    Exchange 10,000 HHonors Points for 1,000 Sky Pearl Club miles.
    KINGFISHER AIRLINES

    Exchange 10,000 HHonors Points for 1,000 King Club King Miles.
    QANTAS

    Exchange 10,000 HHonors Points for 1,500 Qantas Frequent Flyer Points.
    THAI AIRWAYS

    Exchange 10,000 HHonors Points for 1,000 Royal Orchid Plus miles.

    ANA – ALL NIPPON AIRWAYS

    Exchange 10,000 HHonors Points for 1,000 Mileage Club miles.
    JAL JAPAN AIRLINES

    Exchange 10,000 HHonors Points for 1,000 JAL Mileage Bank miles.
    MALAYSIA AIRLINES

    Exchange 10,000 HHonors Points for 1,000 SKYPASS miles.
    SINGAPORE AIRLINES

    Exchange 10,000 HHonors Points for 1,000 KrisFlyer miles.
    VIRGIN AUSTRALIA AIRLINES

    Exchange 10,000 HHonors Points for 1,500 Velocity Points.

  12. Is my math correct on this? If I transfer 72,000 SPG points on one day, will I get 102,000 AA? I don’t need to split it up into two days, right?

  13. @DCS – “Raw “valuations” are somewhat meaningful WITHIN each loyalty program but not ACROSS programs”

    Then why are you comparing the two?

    “unless adjusted for the relative ability to earn the points since one earns different number of points for exactly the same purchases”

    This is precisely why Hilton points are worth LESS than SPG points. It’s so easy to earn Hilton points that the sheer number of them in circulation is making them less valuable (ie the monster Hilton devaluation a while back). The more there is of something, the less valuable it is. It’s harder to earn SPG points, so there are less of them, making the ones in circulation MORE valuable.

    @Bgriff – “@DCS — did you wake up on the crazy side of the bed this morning?”

    No, he woke up on the “use endless mathematics/statistics to pound people who don’t agree with you into submission until they accept that your solution must be right for everyone else” side of the bed. Or perhaps it was the “everybody who refuses to agree with me is an ignorant simpleton” of the bed. It must be one of the two. 🙂

  14. @DCS – “that is not to say Hilton has no airline partners to which I can transfer my easily earned HHonors. Hillton may even be more transfer partners than SPGs:”

    At horrible transfer ratios.

  15. Ooops! That’s “Hilton may even HAVE more transfer partners than SPG” instead of the weird contraction above..

  16. @Brian L: “Then why are you comparing the two?” I do not compare the two. I am trying to warn those who look at SPG’s 2.2 cents/point and claim that it is the most “valuable point currency” not to do it because it is a demonstrably bogus claim. They are the ones doing the comparing but doing it by comparing apples and oranges and concluding that oranges are better…

    @Brian L: “At horrible transfer ratios.” Hilton provides the ability transfer for those who want to transfer their points to other programs, but they do not want to actively encourage it as SPG does. However, considering how easy it is to earn loads of HH points (I will earn about 1,000,000 this years just from revenue stays) and remembering that 1 starpoints ~= 6 HH points, those transfer rates are not that bad at all, and it may even be more practical transfer HH points than starpoints, considering how hard the latter are earn!

  17. @Brian L sez: “This is precisely why Hilton points are worth LESS than SPG points. It’s so easy to earn Hilton points that the sheer number of them in circulation is making them less valuable (ie the monster Hilton devaluation a while back). The more there is of something, the less valuable it is. It’s harder to earn SPG points, so there are less of them, making the ones in circulation MORE valuable.”

    That is precisely the sort of nonsense that I have been trying to rectify here and elsehwere. The ease with which HH points are earned does not make them less valuable. $1 = 123 JPY, does that make the JPY less valuable? SPG simply chose to have a point scale that is 6x smaller than HHonors’ or 2x less than Hyatt GP’s. It is why their numbers are the smallest. Period.

    A starpoint may be worth 2.2 cents it does not buy very much because SPG awards are the highest-priced in the business!!!

    The quantity that is useful in discussing and evaluating loyalty programs is spend-per-free-night (or trip), because it implicitly and explicitly includes the cost of those “free” perks that we are all after. However, travel bloggers do not like that unit of measure because it messes their narrative about non-existent Hilton “Devaluation” or about how “valuable” the startpoint is…

  18. @DCS – “”That is precisely the sort of nonsense that I have been trying to rectify here and elsehwere.”

    Why are you so intent on rectifying something? Why do you care so much that other people are saying something different than what you are? Why not just enjoy your own programs?

    “SPG awards are the highest-priced in the business!!!”

    False. According to the Hilton HHonors site (http://hhonors3.hilton.com/en/earn-use-points/hotel/using/index.html) a room at the top category of Hilton goes for 70,000 to 90,000 points per night. According to the SPG site (http://www.starwoodhotels.com/preferredguest/account/starpoints/redeem/rooms.html) a room at the top level of SPG goes for 30,000 to 35,000 points. Why should anyone take you seriously if you can’t get basic facts straight?

  19. @DCS
    Of course 1 JPY is worth less than 1 USD, what a silly question to ask.
    It does not mean that the USD is necessarily a more desirable currency than the JPY, but one USD is worth a hell lot more than 1 JPY just as 1 Starpoint is worth much more than 1 Hhonors point.
    To your strategy of miles accrual: you should also put the first $25K in spend on the club card, as 12.5K extra miles > 10K bonus miles you earn on the explorer, shouldn’t you?

  20. @ Lucky / DCL / Bryan L / Lars / Brgiff,

    Anyone? would you please kindly help this noob/newbie on the question below previously? greatly appreciate…

    John says:
    July 1, 2015 at 3:46 pm
    @Lucky and fellow readers here,

    I want to take this lucrative bonus transfer promo, but I just started this game and don’t know much about the AA’s partner airlines route for international travel that has best redemption for use of this out from SFO origin.

    I only know best to redeem it on JAL Suite SFO – HND route.
    But how about Etihad ? Do they have SFO – AUH award space availability for the First Apartment saver award redemption?
    And for Quatar business class as Lucky mentioned on the picture of this post, can I redeem their business award seat for SFO – SYD or SFO – MEL? Do they go to Australia from SFO ?

  21. @Lars sez: “Of course 1 JPY is worth less than 1 USD, what a silly question to ask.”

    That’s not what I had asked, but the question is silly for a reason other than than one you think. It is silly because you compared apples and oranges, which are different fruits. 1USD and 123 JPY is the same fruit. 1 USD and 1 JPY are different fruits… 😉

    Confused? Let’s make this absolutely clear.

    Which is the colder temperature between 1 degree Celsius and 33.8 Fahrenheit? See? It is exactly the same temperature. Of course, 1 Fahrenheit is colder than 1 Celsius but only because the SCALES ARE DIFFERENT. Which is the longer distance between 1 mile and 1.6 km? Bigger volume between 1 liter and 0.26 gallon? Higher value between 2.2 cents/starpoint and 0.4 cent/HH? No difference!

    Bottom line: You cannot compare starpoints with HH points without using the factor of about 6 because the points are in different units or on different scales without it.

  22. @Brian L. sez: “False” to my statement that Starwoord awards are the highest-priced in the business…

    I think that you are out of your league in this debate. I am tired of providing these links but here we go again.

    The first link to modeling done by a blogger who did the math right by making sure that the different loyalty programs could be compared by using the spend-per-free-night metric, and concluded [ http://travelcodex.com/2014/03/much-cost-earn-free-night/ ]:
    “From this first figure, we can see what I’ve shown before, that Hyatt, Hilton, and Marriott all have award charts that are similarly priced. The fact that Hilton may sometimes charge up to 95,000 points for an award night is compensated for the fact that it can offer 15 points per dollar, while Hyatt offers only 5 points per dollar. Starwood, however, has some incredibly high-priced awards among its top tiers,… ”

    The second link is to my own independent modeling that reached exactly the same conclusion as above [ https://milepoint.com/forums/threads/exploring-spg-point-values-by-hotel-category.114263/#post-2551672 ]:
    “Figure 3 Legend: The chart above compares the “spend per free night” for the major hotel loyalty programs, with and without the bonus points earned from the co-branded credit cards. The benchmark in the chart is the number of points required to afford one night at each program’s highest redemption rate for a standard room.
    To be able to afford a single night at a very top SPG property, not taking into the CC bonus points, a top SPG elite would need to spend almost as much as it requires to qualify for HHonors Diamond on spend ($12K)! Hyatt GP, HHonors and Marriott Rewards are virtually identical sans CC bonus points (blue bars); but HHonors edges the other two programs when the CC bonus points (red bars) are included. By far the best (least expensive) program in terms of “spend per free night” is Club Carlson, followed by IHG, and then (in that order but very close) by HHonors, Hyatt GP and Marriott Rewards, and lastly, all by themselves, SPG.
    SPG, for standing out alone as the most expensive frequent-guest program, you’ve earned “congratulations!”…or somethin’.”

    I hope you loved my glossy charts, but like I said, you are playing out of league here…

    G’day.

  23. @DCS – “I am tired of providing these links but here we go again.”

    Then stop responding to my comments if they bother you that much. No one’s forcing you to do so.

    “The second link is to my own independent modeling”

    I don’t go on Milepoint anymore, but when I did, you were one of the people on my ignore list, for the same behavior you exhibit here – insisting that your conclusions are the only right answer for everyone, drowning people who have a different opinion that you do in meaningless and endless statistics, and looking down your nose at people who won’t blindly accept your arguments.

    “you are playing out of league here”

    If you don’t know that 70,000 to 90,000 is greater than 30,000 to 35,000, then I think YOU’RE out of your league. You do know how to count, right?

  24. Brian sez: “If you don’t know that 70,000 to 90,000 is greater than 30,000 to 35,000, then I think YOU’RE out of your league. You do know how to count, right?”

    What’s your point? And you ask me “Why are you so intent on rectifying something?” It is precisely to rectify misconceptions such as yours about the size/value of points that I post what I post. However, as far as you are concerned, it seems that I might as well have been posting on a closed-circuit computer in the Sahara since nothing seems to have registered…

    You ARE out of your league here.

    I urge you to put me on your ignore lists of all the travel blogs because I am now ubiquitous out here too 😉

    G’day!

  25. @DCS – “What’s your point?”

    My point was to figure out if you knew how to count. You obviously don’t, if you think 70,000 to 90,000 is less than 30,000 to 35,000.

    “And you ask me “Why are you so intent on rectifying something?” It is precisely to rectify misconceptions such as yours about the size/value of points that I post what I post.”

    Why do you care if other people perceive the value of points differently than you do? You STILL haven’t answered this question.

    “You ARE out of your league here.”

    No, because I know how to count. And I also realize that other people have different opinions than I do (which is the purpose of this whole thing, isn’t it?), and I don’t look down on/berate/mock/belittle others if they do.

    “I urge you to put me on your ignore lists of all the travel blogs”

    As far as I know, there’s no ignore list for Boarding Area blogs. If there was, you’d be on it.

  26. @ John — You can redeem on Etihad for travel in first class out of SFO, though the First Apartment is only available on the A380, which they don’t fly to San Francisco. As far as Qatar goes, you can’t route from the US to Australia on Qatar on a single award.

  27. @Brian L: “As far as I know, there’s no ignore list for Boarding Area blogs. If there was, you’d be on it.”

    C’mon, Brian, you’re a smart guy! Can’t you figure out that you can create your own ignore list by simply…like, IGNORING comments by anyone who does not share your erroneous view or opinion of things…? 😉

  28. I guess I don’t quite get it. For each $1000 I spend on AmEx card – I get 1000 membership reward points.

    1000 membership rewards points converts to 333 Starpoints.

    So if I transfer those 333 Starpoints to AA – I only get 333 miles (or a bonus if the total is 20K or move + the 20% bonus.) So say 333 +67 = 400 AA miles for the $1000 spend.

    If I spend $1000 on an AA Credit card – I get 1000 AA miles.

    If

  29. @DCS – “C’mon, Brian, you’re a smart guy!”

    So a while ago, I was out of my league, and now I’m a smart guy? Which is it?

    “Can’t you figure out that you can create your own ignore list by simply…like, IGNORING comments by anyone who does not share your erroneous view or opinion of things…?”

    As I recall, this is what I’ve said to you when you whine that other people don’t agree with you. Glad to see you’ve come around.

  30. @ Randy — Right, because that’s definitely not the best use of those points. But here we’re talking about Starpoints and not Membership Rewards points, though. Spending $20,000 on your SPG AmEx would get you 20,000 Starpoints, which you can now convert to 30,000 AAdvantage miles. Meanwhile spending $20,000 on your AAdvantage Card would get you 20,000 miles.

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