Qantas US Flight Changes

Qantas has been undergoing some major restructuring lately due to huge losses. The most profitable aspect of their operations seem to be their flights to the US, given those routes still don’t see too much competition from other carriers.

As part of their efforts to improve profitability, Qantas actually added A380 service to Dallas, by cutting A380 service to Hong Kong and retiming their flight between Melbourne and London to create less ground time at Heathrow.

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It seems that the international restructuring is continuing, both in terms of tightening up the schedule and in terms of adding more routes and frequencies. The changes include the following:

More service from Melbourne to Los Angeles

Qantas presently offers A380 service between Melbourne and Los Angeles, which operates with the following schedule:

QF93 Melbourne to Los Angeles departing 11:55AM arriving 7:10AM
QF94 Los Angeles to Melbourne departing 10:50PM arriving 9:40AM (+2 days)

They’ll be adding additional 3x weekly frequencies on the route as of January 21, 2014, with the following schedule:

QF95 Melbourne to Los Angeles departing 5:45PM arriving 3:00PM
QF96 Los Angeles to Melbourne departing 8:30PM arriving 5:00AM (+2 days)

This is a nice afternoon alternative. It’s also operationally smart on the part of Qantas, since it limits the amount of ground time the plane has in Los Angeles.

This addition is probably because Virgin Australia cut service on the route, after United announced they’d launch 787 service between Los Angeles and Melbourne.

Qantas Sydney to Los Angeles flights being retimed

Qantas presently operates two daily frequencies between Sydney and Los Angeles.

The earlier flight is operated by a 747, with the following schedule:

QF107 Sydney to Los Angeles departing 11:55AM arriving 6:30AM
QF108 Los Angeles to Sydney departing 11:55PM arriving 9:35AM (+2 days)

Meanwhile the later flight is operated by an A380, with the following schedule:

QF11 Sydney to Los Angeles departing 3:00PM arriving 9:45AM
QF12 Los Angeles to Sydney departing 10:20PM arriving 8:20AM (+2 days)

As of February 1, 2014, Qantas will be changing around the departure times of these flights.

The A380 frequency will be switching to a morning departure out of Sydney, with the following schedule:

QF11 Sydney to Los Angeles departing 9:50AM arriving 6:30AM
QF12 Los Angeles to Sydney departing 10:05PM arriving 6:30AM (+2 days)

Meanwhile the 747 frequency will be switching to an afternoon departure out of Sydney, with the following schedule:

QF17 Sydney to Los Angeles departing 5:30PM arriving 2:10PM
QF18 Los Angeles to Sydney departing 11:50PM arriving 7:35AM (+2 days)

Qantas Los Angeles to New York flight being retimed

Qantas operates a connecting flight from Los Angeles to New York, which you can only book in conjunction with international travel. Currently this route is flown by the 747 operating the Sydney route, with the following schedule:

QF107 Los Angeles to New York departing 8:55AM arriving 5:05PM
QF108 New York to Los Angeles departing 6:35PM arriving 9:40PM

As of February 1, 2015, the flight will be operated by the 747 operating the Brisbane route, which means they’ll be tweaking the schedule slightly, as follows:

QF15 Los Angeles to New York departing 8:55AM arriving 5:50PM
QF16 New York to Los Angeles departing 6:45PM arriving 9:40PM

So they’re padding the flight time of Los Angeles to New York by 45 minutes, though also now claiming to make a 55 minute turn in New York.

Seriously, they’re going to turn a 747 at JFK in 55 minutes?

I think the implications here are to expect delays on the flights out of Los Angeles to Australia, because there’s no way Qantas can consistently run an on-time schedule with those kinds of turn times.

Bottom line on Qantas flight changes

In the grand scheme of things these aren’t especially significant, and I’m not seeing any extra award space.

That being said, I do find the degree to which Qantas is shuffling things to be quite interesting. It’s smart to reduce down time whenever possible, and I think they could take that even further if they wanted to. But I guess they’re already making money on their US routes, so don’t want to risk too much.

Comments

  1. so where are they losing money? on their flights to London via Dubai? those are the only other ones with F, no?

  2. In the post, you said that you could book the QF JFK-LAX, as long as it’s in conjunction with international travel. Does that make flying JFK-LAX-(Canada, Mexico, etc) a legal routing. Like doing JFK-LAX(QF)-YVR(AS)-JFK(CX) it something like that.

  3. @ RDP — Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but I think it depends on the mileage currency. In the case of American miles, you have to be connecting to Qantas same day IIRC.

  4. @ Lantean — In particular on their domestic and Asia routes due to competition from Jetstar, Virgin Australia, etc.

  5. 55 min to turn a 747 at jfk = not gonna happen. maybe in japan. was AMAZED to see my fully loaded HND-ITM JL B772 turned in almost exactly 25 minutes.

  6. @Dylan — the A380 is significantly slower than the 744. Over a 14-hour flight, that adds up. Note also how the duration changes on the 11/12 and the 107/108 when the equipment is swapped between A380 and 747.

  7. Oh! It wasn’t clear that the 3X service was the 747. I didn’t realize the A380 was that much slower, interesting. That’s what I get for skimming the post while listening to a meeting.

  8. QF107 SYD-LAX-JFK and QF108 JKF-LAX-SYD the domestic segments can only be bought if connecting to another Qantas flight /on the same ticket to OZ or beginning your trip from there.
    You are allowed stopover in LAX but must continue on to OZ or if coming from OZ continue onto JFK. Can’t use it as a domestic sector nor connect to other destination other than Australia eg: LAX-SYD, LAX-MEL, LAX-BNE. (Also depends on the fare rule for stopover).
    I used to fly this route a lot to Sydney, Australia before switching over to Delta.

  9. Tightening up the JFK leg schedule is a mess, though. I used to fly this route fairly often and between the potential for delays at LAX and JFK, it was never on time. The worst part is that because a large number of people come from JFK and connect to all three of SYD, BNE and MEL, all three of those flights are often held in LA in the evening until the JFK flight arrives. And likewise if any of those three flights are late getting to LA in the morning, and/or if there are delays at customs in LA, the JFK flight leaves LA late, and then gets to JFK late, where it can be further delayed … it’s all a vicious cycle.

  10. They should drop the flt from LAX to JFK. I would bring back the flts from SFO to SYD. United has very little competition on that route. As stated the U.S. routes are where Qantas makes money. The SYD to DFW nonstop flt is a good addition.

    The SYD to DXB and Mel to DXB and onward to LHR lose money. Qantas is competing with Emirates! I would make those 777 routes and put the A380 on a new SYD to SFO route.

  11. I sometimes forget that QF still fly internationally after all the recent cuts. They have no international flights left from Perth, so I have little sympathy for their financial situation. Alan Joyce and Jetstar have destroyed a once great airline.

  12. @lucky Just a small correction there: I believe the flight numbers QF107 & 108 are being replaced by QF17 & 18 respectively.

  13. @Bgriff @Dylan Qantas pads about 15 minutes onto the schedule for A380 flights (vs 747 flights) to and from the US. Not sure why there would be a 2 hour discrepancy in those timings, however I suspect daylight savings time changes may be a factor.

  14. @Dylan – I agree the new times look odd. Perhaps it is comparing a current schedule during northern summer/southern winter with a new schedule during northern winter/southern summer? Daylight saving at each end accounts for 2 hour apparent time variation.

    @Bgriff – any difference in air speeds (between A380 and 744) is minimal compared with variations due to changes in winds aloft, and certainly cannot account for 2 hours.

  15. @Paul – QF used to fly SYD-SFO but couldn’t make it work, either stand-alone or with YVR tag leg.

  16. @Dylan

    Something really is very odd with the QF93 schedule. I’m booked on that flight in April and my current itinerary lands at 0710 as published above, but departs at 0950. Not sure where the two hours is coming from.

  17. My wife is on QF17 from SYD to LAX right now (July 20 /15) and was told that the plane was “a smaller one that only offers economy and premium economy cabins”, NO business or first. Is that even possible on a 13 hour flight? What’s really goofy is that she was told by BA exec club at booking that her seat WAS in first, but at the check-in counter that QA first is actually premium economy. Shouldn’t have to find this out just before boarding.

  18. @ Ernie — Hmmm, the smallest plane they fly to LAX is the 747, which features business, premium economy, and economy.

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